Obama's stated first act as president is to pass Planned Parenthood's "Freedom of Choice Act" which would increase taxpayer funding for abortion and relegalize partial birth abortion.
The most amazing thing to me about this election is that people actually believe Obama is something new. Look up what he actually proposes, don't listen to the nice way he talks about everyone getting along. It's 1960s "Great Society." That's it. We have the reincarnation of Johnson or Carter. I never believed Americans could be so swayed by demagoguery. Sad. The lack of discernment is frightening.
Obama is the most pro-abortion candidate who has ever run for president. His economic policies are the most oppressive since the 1960s. We can close our eyes and buy into this ambiguous "hope and change" stuff, but there is nothing new here.
Oh Jordan. You are great I miss you I have not heard from you forever!! However, we have very opposing views. I'm definitely not voting for him because of abortion policies, but I am voting for him for a number of other moral reasons. We will have to agree to disagree bc I am pretty pumped about him, economic policies and all - and not just because of demagogy.
I know you aren't voting for him because of his abortion views--but they come along with the package. That's the problem with having only two candidates.
I'd be interested in learning more about the other moral issues you refer to. They must be quite substantial in order to warrant the murder of 1.5 million babies per year in the United States.
The next president will likely have multiple supreme court nominees. Obama has promised Planned Parenthood that his will be pro-abortion. If a non-left president were elected, it would possibly be a large enough change on the court to overthrow Roe v Wade. If Obama is elected then Roe will be sealed in place for decades. Again, I have to wonder which moral issues outweigh that.
I hope grad. school is going well for you and that you have a good sense of direction with this program. (And also hope that grad. school is somehow allowing you more sleep than it's allowing me......)
Actually, both candidates promised they would not use roe vs. wade as screening ground for supreme court judges. and I believe that abortion is a symptom of a problem. simply eliminating abortion wihtout social programs to help is like condemning ad not lifting a finger to help.
besides, if roe vs. wade is overturned. abortion still won't be illegal. it will be illegal in like half the states, and legal in the rest. that's not going to change. so right now i'm voting for someone who is dedicated to moral issues such as racial reconciliation, social justice, eradicating international poverty and someone who will be a great international diplomat. the iraq war has killed one million people. perhaps by voting for bush, we already are responsible for the deaths of one millons.
we are definitely not going to see eye to eye on this no matter what. In all honesty, there's nothing that makes me more angry than when Christians choose to look at nothing else besides abortion in this race, ignoring the fact that "life" can be applied in much broader terms.
oh yeah, and McCain promised to not appoint judges based on roe either - in fact he's said he doesn't really intend on turning that over. Plus, he picked sarah palin for VP. And she....does not seem like an ideal VP.... So there goes that option.
Of course overturning roe will not make abortion illegal. The only thing it will do will allow the people to actually decide whether or not they want abortion in their state. We pretend this is a democracy. Why are leftists afraid of it?
And "not using roe as a litmus test" for justices is irrelevant. Obama believes the constitution is "fundamentally flawed" and has said it is a living document that needs to be changed with the times (of course this makes any notion of a constitution pointless and irrelevant, but I digress). The fact is, Obama has said his first and highest priority in office is to make abortion easier (stated to Planned Parenthood). Presidents appoint justices based on their view of the constitution. Justices who view the constitution the way Obama do will support Roe passionately. Abortion isn't everything. It's just an obvious issue that Christian Obama supporters utterly ignore, so it's a great place to start. Obama as president means more and easier abortion. You can talk all day about some ambiguous notion of "social justice" (whatever that means from one minute to the next), but it doesn't matter if a homeless man has a shelter when next door the brains of infants are being vacuumed out. Do you think God will continue to bless such a land?
As far as Iraq...come on, you're smarter than that. 1 million people? Give me a break. And it's 1.5 million infants PER YEAR in the U.S. Did you know that Sadaam killed a few hundred thousand kurds with chemical agents? Do you think it's good that we stopped that? How many lives have been saved from that tyranny in Iraq?
Does it bother you that Obama promised he would take public funding for his election but then changed his mind when he started doing well at fundraising?
Does it bother you that six months ago "everyone who makes under 250k/yr" would receive a tax cut under Obama but now it's everyone under 150k/yr?
Does it bother you that Obama was an active member and financial supporter at a "church" for 20 years where the pastor "preaches" "God Damn America" and that the white people are responsible for the nation's woes? That we need reparations? That Obama was happy in that church for 20 years before suddenly, as he's running for president, he decides that everything isn't ok at that church?
As far as McCain goes, I think he's an awful candidate. If he's president it will be an inconsequential presidency that will be nothing but a footnote in history books. I wasn't going to vote for him until Powell's offensive endorsement of Obama, which put me over the edge. Obama's presidency wouldn't be a footnote. It would be chapters and chapters of disaster.
Palin is too inexperienced to be president, I agree. Unfortunately, Obama has less experience than she does. So why isn't anyone talking about that?
You're upset about people saying "kill him" at McCain rallies? Did you know that never actually happened? Did you know that Obama supporters in CA hung a Palin effigy from a tree? Why are we hearing about the militant nature of McCain supporters but not the militant nature of Obama supporters (if you want examples they can be provided)?
Also, does it bother you at all that Obama "man for the people" receives much more support from wall street than McCain? http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081031114947.aspx
I got the one million from www.projectuncensored.org. Yes, it has caused that many deaths. I am not ignoring abortion, but I guess that I am not placing it as a priority because it's not going to change. And social justice is not ambiguous. And no I don't care about the Rvnd Wright thing. I go to a church where I don't agree w/ everything the pastor says.
I'm smart, your smart, we are looking at the world from completely different viewpoints. And I never said anything about being upset about the "kill him" comment. Both sides do bad things. Both sides have good things about them. They are not God. As far as bringing God to people, I'm not going to make that the government's job.
And... as a master's student in journalism, I have to read all the news. And... I don't think yelling at each other is going to help because neither of us will sway and we'll just get pissed and start to hate each other. ha. So let's just truce while we can. PLEASE.
Hah, no fighting. I was considering it a bonding experience. After the last few years in Boston, among liberals I don't agree with, and in Colorado and DC, among conservatives I don't agree with I am used to debating ideas without any enmity or personal animosity. Almost all the friends I've spent the most time with in the last few years have been people who have disagreed sharply with me (and openly so) about politics, religion, morals, etc. I've learned to adapt....
You go to a church where you don't entirely agree with the pastor. That's fine. But if your pastor suggested that the US Government invented AIDS and cocaine to oppress black people, would you continue going? Because Obama did. And not as a casual member. Wright is his spiritual mentor, in his words.
Anyway, I'll leave you with a quote from Obama's autobiography, The Audacity of Hope:
"Implicit...in the very idea of ordered liberty [is] a rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or ‘ism,' any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course...."
All Christians should be disturbed by these words. I believe Christ had a lot to say about truth, and none of it involved it being something transient and changing. A man who rejects absolutes cannot be trusted.
By the way, my fiancee says thanks for teaching me how to dress....
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Obama's stated first act as president is to pass Planned Parenthood's "Freedom of Choice Act" which would increase taxpayer funding for abortion and relegalize partial birth abortion.
The most amazing thing to me about this election is that people actually believe Obama is something new. Look up what he actually proposes, don't listen to the nice way he talks about everyone getting along. It's 1960s "Great Society." That's it. We have the reincarnation of Johnson or Carter. I never believed Americans could be so swayed by demagoguery. Sad. The lack of discernment is frightening.
Obama is the most pro-abortion candidate who has ever run for president. His economic policies are the most oppressive since the 1960s. We can close our eyes and buy into this ambiguous "hope and change" stuff, but there is nothing new here.
Oh Jordan. You are great I miss you I have not heard from you forever!! However, we have very opposing views. I'm definitely not voting for him because of abortion policies, but I am voting for him for a number of other moral reasons. We will have to agree to disagree bc I am pretty pumped about him, economic policies and all - and not just because of demagogy.
PEACE!
I know you aren't voting for him because of his abortion views--but they come along with the package. That's the problem with having only two candidates.
I'd be interested in learning more about the other moral issues you refer to. They must be quite substantial in order to warrant the murder of 1.5 million babies per year in the United States.
The next president will likely have multiple supreme court nominees. Obama has promised Planned Parenthood that his will be pro-abortion. If a non-left president were elected, it would possibly be a large enough change on the court to overthrow Roe v Wade. If Obama is elected then Roe will be sealed in place for decades. Again, I have to wonder which moral issues outweigh that.
I hope grad. school is going well for you and that you have a good sense of direction with this program. (And also hope that grad. school is somehow allowing you more sleep than it's allowing me......)
BTW, it's like 90 degrees here still :)
Actually, both candidates promised they would not use roe vs. wade as screening ground for supreme court judges. and I believe that abortion is a symptom of a problem. simply eliminating abortion wihtout social programs to help is like condemning ad not lifting a finger to help.
besides, if roe vs. wade is overturned. abortion still won't be illegal. it will be illegal in like half the states, and legal in the rest. that's not going to change. so right now i'm voting for someone who is dedicated to moral issues such as racial reconciliation, social justice, eradicating international poverty and someone who will be a great international diplomat. the iraq war has killed one million people. perhaps by voting for bush, we already are responsible for the deaths of one millons.
we are definitely not going to see eye to eye on this no matter what. In all honesty, there's nothing that makes me more angry than when Christians choose to look at nothing else besides abortion in this race, ignoring the fact that "life" can be applied in much broader terms.
oh yeah, and McCain promised to not appoint judges based on roe either - in fact he's said he doesn't really intend on turning that over. Plus, he picked sarah palin for VP. And she....does not seem like an ideal VP.... So there goes that option.
Of course overturning roe will not make abortion illegal. The only thing it will do will allow the people to actually decide whether or not they want abortion in their state. We pretend this is a democracy. Why are leftists afraid of it?
And "not using roe as a litmus test" for justices is irrelevant. Obama believes the constitution is "fundamentally flawed" and has said it is a living document that needs to be changed with the times (of course this makes any notion of a constitution pointless and irrelevant, but I digress). The fact is, Obama has said his first and highest priority in office is to make abortion easier (stated to Planned Parenthood). Presidents appoint justices based on their view of the constitution. Justices who view the constitution the way Obama do will support Roe passionately.
Abortion isn't everything. It's just an obvious issue that Christian Obama supporters utterly ignore, so it's a great place to start. Obama as president means more and easier abortion. You can talk all day about some ambiguous notion of "social justice" (whatever that means from one minute to the next), but it doesn't matter if a homeless man has a shelter when next door the brains of infants are being vacuumed out. Do you think God will continue to bless such a land?
As far as Iraq...come on, you're smarter than that. 1 million people? Give me a break. And it's 1.5 million infants PER YEAR in the U.S. Did you know that Sadaam killed a few hundred thousand kurds with chemical agents? Do you think it's good that we stopped that? How many lives have been saved from that tyranny in Iraq?
Does it bother you that Obama promised he would take public funding for his election but then changed his mind when he started doing well at fundraising?
Does it bother you that six months ago "everyone who makes under 250k/yr" would receive a tax cut under Obama but now it's everyone under 150k/yr?
Does it bother you that Obama was an active member and financial supporter at a "church" for 20 years where the pastor "preaches" "God Damn America" and that the white people are responsible for the nation's woes? That we need reparations? That Obama was happy in that church for 20 years before suddenly, as he's running for president, he decides that everything isn't ok at that church?
As far as McCain goes, I think he's an awful candidate. If he's president it will be an inconsequential presidency that will be nothing but a footnote in history books. I wasn't going to vote for him until Powell's offensive endorsement of Obama, which put me over the edge. Obama's presidency wouldn't be a footnote. It would be chapters and chapters of disaster.
Palin is too inexperienced to be president, I agree. Unfortunately, Obama has less experience than she does. So why isn't anyone talking about that?
You're upset about people saying "kill him" at McCain rallies? Did you know that never actually happened? Did you know that Obama supporters in CA hung a Palin effigy from a tree? Why are we hearing about the militant nature of McCain supporters but not the militant nature of Obama supporters (if you want examples they can be provided)?
Read all of the news, not just NYT news.
Also, does it bother you at all that Obama "man for the people" receives much more support from wall street than McCain?
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081031114947.aspx
Are we fighting now?? :)
I got the one million from www.projectuncensored.org. Yes, it has caused that many deaths. I am not ignoring abortion, but I guess that I am not placing it as a priority because it's not going to change. And social justice is not ambiguous. And no I don't care about the Rvnd Wright thing. I go to a church where I don't agree w/ everything the pastor says.
I'm smart, your smart, we are looking at the world from completely different viewpoints. And I never said anything about being upset about the "kill him" comment. Both sides do bad things. Both sides have good things about them. They are not God. As far as bringing God to people, I'm not going to make that the government's job.
And... as a master's student in journalism, I have to read all the news. And... I don't think yelling at each other is going to help because neither of us will sway and we'll just get pissed and start to hate each other. ha. So let's just truce while we can. PLEASE.
masalaama.
Hah, no fighting. I was considering it a bonding experience. After the last few years in Boston, among liberals I don't agree with, and in Colorado and DC, among conservatives I don't agree with I am used to debating ideas without any enmity or personal animosity. Almost all the friends I've spent the most time with in the last few years have been people who have disagreed sharply with me (and openly so) about politics, religion, morals, etc. I've learned to adapt....
You go to a church where you don't entirely agree with the pastor. That's fine. But if your pastor suggested that the US Government invented AIDS and cocaine to oppress black people, would you continue going? Because Obama did. And not as a casual member. Wright is his spiritual mentor, in his words.
Anyway, I'll leave you with a quote from Obama's autobiography, The Audacity of Hope:
"Implicit...in the very idea of ordered liberty [is] a rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or ‘ism,' any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course...."
All Christians should be disturbed by these words. I believe Christ had a lot to say about truth, and none of it involved it being something transient and changing. A man who rejects absolutes cannot be trusted.
By the way, my fiancee says thanks for teaching me how to dress....
Hope you're having a great weekend,
Jordan
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